Lord's Prayer?


 
The Lord's Prayer
 
Our Father, Who art in Heaven: hallowed be Thy Name;
Thy Kingdom come; Thy Will be done on earth, as it is in Heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread; and forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.
  Amen.


Spiritual or Religious?


Dateline: 03/11/98

Due to the overwhelming and somewhat lively response to the question of using the so-called "Lord's Prayer," or "Our Father" at meetings, we would again like to submit the following article from the Central Bulletin of Cleveland, Ohio.


In Alcoholics Anonymous we often find ourselves caught up in the debate concerning Spirituality vs Religion or over concerning ourselves in so-called "New Age" mysticism.

This, first in a series of articles on the Lord's Prayer, was published in February 1944. The Central Bulletin was AA's first newsletter and within its pages are to be found some of the best writing's ever relating to recovery from alcoholism.

In Alcoholics Anonymous we often find ourselves caught up in the debate concerning Spirituality vs Religion or over concerning ourselves in so-called "New Age" mysticism. We also appear at times to get lost in the psychobabble one often hears at meetings.

This writer would like to offer this article from a time in AA history when many in Alcoholics Anonymous kept it simple.

 


"Our Father…"

These are crucial words. Of all the words of the most universal of all prayers, these two words are of greatest importance to us.

Preferably, we anchor our lives to that something outside that we consider greater than ourselves, and eventually, we recognize that something as being the Supreme Power.

In uttering them, we turn to a Power greater than our own. We turn from complete reliance upon our own egotistical natures, from exaggerated self love and self exaltation. We confess that our efforts to run our entire lives in our own willful way have led to error, frustration, defeat, failure. We admit that the self justification that resulted from our errors has only deepened our defeat.

Even when we have seen the depth of our failure, the folly of self justification and the pitfalls of egotism, we have discovered that our efforts to re-establish ourselves solely through will power have led to more stumbling. Our wills, as one writer has observed, are where we are sickest.

So we, out of desperation turn to the sure Power that has always existed and make that Power the rock upon which we will rebuild our lives.

Many of us had long since lapsed in belief in any Supreme Power. Most of us had not addressed ourselves to that Power for many years, except, perhaps, in an occasional desperate moment.

In the realization of the position in which we have found ourselves, we come to a crossroads. We may continue to rely upon our sick wills and our erring judgements, which so often speak the words of justification. Our experience should show us what the result of following along that path may be.

 

The Other Path

Most of us find it better to choose the other path. Certainly all who have succeeded in application of the AA program have found this other path better. We turn from our selves to anchor our lives on something outside. Preferably, we anchor our lives to that something outside that we consider greater than ourselves, and eventually, we recognize that something as being the Supreme Power.

We bring that Supreme Power into our lives, and by so doing, we lift ourselves up. We think of that Supreme Power in our own terms, but we know that the realm of that Power is of realm of the Good, where the spirit may find peace.

With these words, Our Father, we address ourselves to the Supreme Power. In the morning when we get up to prepare for the day's work; in the evening when we retire and think for a few moments about our actions during the day that has just past, we place ourselves in the presence of that Supreme Power with the words, Our Father.

When occasion arises during the day, when we are sorely tempted, when we are angry, when we are resentful, when we pity ourselves, when we feel frustrated or worried, we can shift gears and connect ourselves with the Supreme Power by uttering the words, Our Father. There we will find help.

 



If God Should Speak...A Different Look at the Lord's Prayer
 
"Our Father which art in heaven....."

 ---Yes?

 Don't interrupt me; I'm praying.

 ---But you called me.

 Called you? I didn't call you. I'm praying. "Our
Father which art in heaven..."

 ---There. You did it again.

 Did what?

 ---Called me. You said, "Our Father which art
in heaven." Here I am.  What's on your mind?

 But I didn't mean anything by it. I was, you know,
just saying my prayers for the day. I always say the
Lord's Prayer. It makes me feel good, kind of like getting
a duty done.

 ---All right. Go on.

 "Hallowed be thy name.."

 ---Hold it. What do you mean by that?

 By what?

 ---By "hallowed be thy name"?

 It means...it means...Good grief, I don't know
what it means!  How should I know? It's just part of
the prayer. By the way, what does it mean?

 ---It means honored, holy, wonderful.

 Hey, that makes sense. I never thought about
what "hallowed" meant before. "Thy kingdom come,
thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven."

 ---Do you really mean that?

 Sure!  Why not?

 ---What are you doing about it?

 Doing?  Nothing, I guess.  I just think it would
be kind of neat if you got control of everything down
here like you have up there.

 ---Have I got control of you?

 Well, I go to church.

 ---That isn't what I asked you. What about your
bad temper?  You've really got a problem there, you know.
And then there's the way you spend your money--all on
yourself.  And what about the lies you tell?

 Stop picking on me! I'm just as good as some of
the rest of those people at church!

 ---Excuse me. I thought you were praying for
my will to be done.  If that is to happen, it will have
to start with the ones who are praying for it; like you,
for example.

 Oh, all right! I guess I do have some hang-ups.
Now that you mention it, I could probably name some others.

 ---So could I.

 I haven't thought about it very much until now, but I
really would like to cut out some of those things.  I would
like to, you know, be really free!

 ---Good!  Now we're getting somewhere.  We'll work
together, you and I.  Some victories can truly be won.
I'm proud of you.

 Look, Lord, I need to finish up here.  This is taking a
lot longer than it usually does.  "Give us this day our
daily bread."

 ---You need to cut out the bread.  You're overweight
as it is.

 Hey, wait a minute!  What is this, criticize me day?
Here I was doing my religious duty, and all of a sudden
you break in and remind me of all my hang-ups!

 ---Praying is a dangerous thing.  You could wind
up changed, you know.  That's what I'm trying to get across
to you.  You called me, and here I am.  It's too late to stop now.
Keep praying.  I'm interested in the next part of your
prayer...(pause). Well, go on..

 I'm scared to.

 ---Scared? Of what?

 I know what you'll say!

 ---Try Me and see.

 "Forgive us our sins, as we forgive those
who sin against us."

 ---What about Ann?

 See?!  I knew it!  I knew you would bring her up!  Why,
Lord, she's told lies about me, spread stories about my
family, she never paid back the debt she owes me.  I've
sworn to get even with her!

 ---But your prayer.  What about your prayer?

 I didn't mean it!

 ---Well, at least you are honest.  But it's not much
fun carrying that load of bitterness around inside, is it?

 No. But I'll feel better as soon as I get even!  Boy,
have I got some plans for that neighbor!  She'll wish she
had never moved into this neighborhood!

 ---You won't feel any better.  You'll feel worse.
Revenge isn't sweet!  Think how unhappy you already are.
But I can change all of that!

 You can? How?

 ---Forgive Ann.  Then I'll forgive you.  Then the hate
and sin will be Ann's problem; not yours.  You will have
settled your heart.

 Oh, You're right.  You always are!  And more than I
want revenge on Ann, I want to be right with You.  Ann,
I want to be right with you...(pause)...(sigh).  All right.
I forgive her. Help her to find the right road in life, Lord.
She's bound to be awfully miserable, now that I think
about it.  Anybody who goes around doing the things she
does to others has to be out of it!  Someway, somehow,
show her the right way.

 ---There, now.  Wonderful!  How do you feel?

 Hmmm. Well, not bad!  Not bad at all!  In fact,
I feel pretty great!!  You know, I don't think I'll have to
go to bed uptight tonight for the first time since I can
remember.  Maybe I won't be so tired from now on because
I'm not getting enough rest.

 ---You're not through with your prayer.  Go on.

 Oh, all right.  "And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil."

 ---Good!  Good!  I'll do that!  Just don't put yourself in
a place where you can be tempted.

 What do You mean by that?

 ---Don't turn on the TV when you know the laundry
needs to be done and the house needs to be cleaned.  And
the time you spend drinking coffee with your friends,
if you can't influence the conversation to positive things,
perhaps you should re-think the value of those friendships.
Another thing, your neighbors and friends shouldn't be your
standard for "keeping up".  And please don't use Me for an
escape hatch!

 I don't understand the last part..

 ---Sure you do.  You've done it a lot of times.  You
get caught in a bad situation, or get into trouble and then
you come running to Me!   "Lord, help me out of this mess,
and I promise You I'll never do it again."  Do you remember
some of those bargains you tried to make with Me?

 Yes, Lord.  And I'm ashamed.  I really am!

 ---Which bargain are you remembering?

 Well, there was the night that Bill was gone and the
children and I were home alone.  The wind was blowing so
hard I thought the roof would blow off any minute.  Tornado
warnings were out.  I remember praying, "Oh God, if you
spare us, I'll never skip my devotions again."

 ---I protected you, but you didn't keep your promise,
did you?

 I'm sorry, Lord, I really am!  Up until now, I thought
that if I just prayed the Lord's Prayer every day then I
could do what I pleased.  I didn't expect anything to happen
like it did!

 ---Go ahead, finish your prayer..

 "For Thine is the kingdom, the power, and the glory
forever.  Amen."

 ---Do you know what would bring Me glory?  What
would really make Me happy?


 No, but I'd like to know.  I want now to please You.
I can see what a mess I've made of my life.  And I can see
how great it would be to REALLY be one of your followers!


 ---You just answered the question!


 I did?!


 ---Yes.  The thing that would bring me glory is
to have people like you truly love Me.  And I see that
happening between us.  Now that some of these old sins
are exposed and out of the way, well, there is no
telling what we can do together!


 Lord, let's see what we can make of me, okay?


 ---Yes, My child. Let's see!

 






 QUOTES@GOD

 

   God doesn't help those who help themselves, he helps them who
      LET him.

   Joy isn't the absence of pain - it's the presence of God.

   The only difference between God and me is that God doesn't think
      he is  me....

   Dear God, Help me keep my opinion out of your way today.

   God makes a good manager in your life.... He does not want a
      "raise" for the  job he does .... He  only wants the praise ....
      "THANK'S GOD" ....

   Our Higher Power gives us many gifts in sobriety. We just have to
     remember to unwrap them.

   The Will of God will never lead me where the Grace of God can't
      protect  me.

   If God is your co-pilot, SWITCH SEATS!

   If you want to make God laugh, tell Him your plans for the day.

   There are days that you just don't feel like praying. Those are the
      days that you need to talk  to God about it.

   It's like there is a door between God and me, and it locks on only
     one side,  my side.

   There is no problem before us, that is greater than the Power
      behind us.

   Who resigned and made you general manager of the universe ?

   I'm not the man I'd like to be but Thank God I'm not the man I
     used to be.

   If you don't have a Higher Power, borrow mine.

   Pray daily, God is easier to talk to than most people.

   Any man can count the seeds in a apple, but only God can count the
     apples in  the seed.

   Praying is asking God for help, meditating is listening for God's
      answer.

   An alcoholic is chosen to find God.

   Be careful of what we pray for; you're liable to get it.

   Bend your knees before you bend your elbows.

   BUT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD.

   God, Please teach me to laugh again, don't let me ever forget that
     I cried.

   I CAN'T HANDLE IT GOD; YOU TAKE OVER.

   I CAME; I CAME TO; I CAME TO BELIEVE.

   Thank you, God, for the beautiful day I'm going to have if I can
      just get  rid  of my fucking  attitude.

   My sobriety depends on who God is, not who I am

   Regarding believing in God: Pretend. Act as if. Fake it until you
     make it.

   Don't let the limits of your imagination block you from what God can
     do  for you.

   God is greater than any problem I Have.

   I can't, He can, I'll let Him !

   With an attitude of gratitude, it is impossible to get drunk.

   Our Higher Power gives us many gifts in sobriety. We just have to
      remember to unwrap them.

   The power behind me is greater than the problem in front of me.

   God made man in his own image, and man promptly returned the
     favor!

   Don't let the limits of your imagination block you from what God can
     do  for  you.

   God does not make too hard terms with those who seek him.

   If you turn it over but don't let go you'll wind up upside down.


Posted on: Monday, August 6, 2001

Editorial
Don't confuse AA with being a 'religion'

The two most important things America gave the 20th century, author Kurt Vonnegut is reported to have said, are the blues and Alcoholics Anonymous.

He's at least half right. Today AA, founded in 1935 by a New York stockbroker and an Ohio proctologist both written off as hopeless drunks, claims more than 2 million members. Unless you are involved with AA, or know someone who is, you probably will be surprised to learn that AA holds more than 300 meetings a week on O'ahu.

Even more surprising, perhaps, AA doesn't want your money or even, unless you know someone in need of its services, your attention. Its members want nothing so much as to be able to extend to others what was so freely offered to them — the gift of sobriety.

A disturbing threat to this organization and its friends has appeared, of all places, in federal courts on the East Coast. In one ruling, a prison inmate prevailed in his argument that he shouldn't be forced to attend AA meetings in his facility because "AA is a religion." Of course, we can't constitutionally force religion upon anyone in this country.

Ironically, AA doesn't force anyone to attend meetings.

In another ruling, testimony against a manslaughter defendant was thrown out because his disclosures of wrongs to fellow members should be protected by "a privilege granted to other religions similarly situated."

AA doesn't claim any such privilege.

The appeals court based its conclusion on "the religious nature of the 12 steps" of Alcoholics Anonymous.

As anyone familiar with AA can tell you, and a careful reading of its literature makes clear, AA is not religious. Neither, by the way, are the more than 200 other organizations that have adapted, with the permission of AA, the 12 steps: Narcotics Anonymous, Overeaters Anonymous, Gamblers Anonymous and the like.

"The only requirement for membership," says AA's 3rd Tradition, "is a desire to stop drinking." A wide assortment of atheists, agnostics and others have become successful in AA.

Confusion arises, if that's what it is, because AA members are urged to develop a relationship with a "higher power." The literature makes clear, however, that "AA is not allied with any sect (or) denomination" and that a member's AA group can serve as a suitable higher power.

How is the finding that AA is a religion a threat? The most immediate problem is for judges, probation officers, treatment counselors and the like, who commonly require troubled people in their care to attend AA meetings. Why? Because they know that even if they don't try to follow the AA program, the meetings still are likely to stabilize them to some extent and to plant the seeds for the potential of a better life.

At some local AA meetings, literally dozens of the attendees are there not from choice, but because some outside agency ordered them there. A legal finding that AA is a "religion" means those agencies would have nowhere to send their clients.

Not all of these clients get the message and improve their lives. But some do. A Hawaii court finding that AA is a "religion" thus would be a tragic mistake.

Source

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2001/Aug/06/op/op02a.html









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